I have been using Arc’teryx apparel on a rather frequent basis for well over a year, and as a result, feel comfortable writing reviews or comparisons of many of their products. I have previously written about the brand but not any specific product.
Because it is a topic that seems to come up quite often, I thought I would reach into my Arc’closet and start with the Arc’teryx LEAF pants that I own – the Drac, Sphinx, and Talos. I overhear people talk about the differences between each in mild puzzlement, and while the Arc’teryx website provides a very clear technical definition of each product, a practical explanation of the differences isn’t immediately obvious.
There are a number of similarities – all three have zippers at the fly, two snaps at the waist, velcro closures for the pockets, drawstrings at the cuffs, reinforced knees, kneepad compatibility, and so on. In addition, each item of clothing described here was made with exacting craftsmanship, as I have come to expect from the Arc’teryx brand. However, there are also a number of differences, which I will cover below.
I don’t intend for this article to talk anyone who, like me, wears $25 Dickies pants on a regular basis into buying a closet full of Arc’teryx apparel. Instead, I intend for it to help someone who wants to buy a pair of Arc’teryx LEAF pants make an informed purchasing decision. If you’d like to pick up an Arc’teryx product that offers a lot of usefulness for its cost, check out the Atom LT; be warned, it might not be the last Arc’product you buy.
Drac Pants
Arc’teryx describes the Drac pant as “Durable, breathable, wind and weather-resistant combat-ready pants constructed using smooth-sided, warm-facing stretch textiles and anatomical patterning for maximum comfort and mobility.” They retail for $298 and their overall weight is 1lb, 13.3 ounces. My pair was made in China.
In my opinion, the Drac offers the best water resistance and low temperature insulation of the three. The fabric looks and feels quite similar to many “softshell” jackets or gloves. It’s soft on the inside, which is nice for comfort as well as moisture wicking. The outside has a DWR (durable water repellent) coating and does a very good job of keeping average rainfall or snow moisture away from your body. This coating won’t last forever, but it can apparently be reapplied at the end user level – something I haven’t had to do yet.
The material used for the Drac is rather noisy. Using a calibrated sound meter placed three feet away from the pants, I rubbed the two legs together and saw the meter jump to an average of 77 decibels. In dry conditions, this would matter quite a lot, but if there were heavy rainfall, I highly doubt that any human would be able to make out the sound. This is in comparison to 68 decibels for a pair of issued MARPAT utility trousers, 65 decibels for the Talos pants, and 74 decibels for the Sphinx pants. According to this website, a difference of 10db is “about twice as loud,” while 3db is “barely perceptible.”
The thickness that makes the pants a little warmer than the others doesn’t seem to constrict movement, which I thought was a nice feature. It does make them more of a cold-weather pant. If I had to choose one word to describe the fabric, it would be “smooth.” Of the three pants, the Drac seems to be made of the “stretchiest” fabric.
My most memorable outing with the Drac pants was when they were brand new and I climbed to the top of a minor peak in the Wasatch Range with my friend Jim of Deliberate Dynamics earlier this year. The terrain, especially on the way down, was incredibly rough. I pushed through thorny bushes, fell or tumbled down snow-covered slopes, and slid into rock faces numerous times. Due to a knee injury sustained halfway up the peak, a decent portion of the way back was spent on my hands and knees, crawling. I wore them over an Arc’teryx Rho base layer and was comfortably warm all the way to the top of the snow-covered mountain.
Upon returning home, I washed the pants as I would any other garment. They came out looking like new.
Sphinx Pants
Arc’teryx describes this pant as “Durable, breathable, wind and weather-resistant combat-ready pants constructed using mechanical-stretch textiles and anatomical patterning for maximum comfort and mobility.” In the “technical features” section, they only describe it as “durable,” while the Talos and Drac are described as “highly durable.” They retail for $379 and weigh 1lb 6.8oz. My pair was made in El Salvador.
I have had the Sphinx pants since July of 2012. I have used them in two endurance races as well as many desert outings, including the crossing of a number of barbed wire fences. There are a few minor spots where a single thread has pulled away from the rest of the fabric, but these are few and far between. From what I can see, the Sphinx pants seem to be constructed of the the most durable of the three – at least in terms of tear/cut resistance from sharp rocks or barbed wire fences. I cannot speak of abrasion resistance from an objective standpoint because I haven’t conducted any such testing, but from an anecdotal standpoint, the abrasion resistance of the Sphinx pants could be described as excellent.
The inside of the waistband is composed of a soft, suede-like fabric that feels nice when you load down your waist with guns, ammunition, and other stuff. I don’t normally have waist chafing issues, but if I did, the inside of this waistband would probably solve them. The crotch also seems to be a lot more durable – in terms of sewing and design – than a standard uniform trouser. My issued BDU pants would often tear out at the crotch after a lot of use and some decent squatting – that doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Sphinx, or the Drac or Talos, for that matter.
The pocket configuration (10 in total) of the Sphinx pant is pretty much identical to the Drac, and although a completely different fabric is used – one which feels the same inside and out and doesn’t offer as much insulation against cold air – it’s also flexible/”stretchy” and not at all constraining. In hot weather, I have found them to be very breathable and comfortable. Arc’teryx doesn’t specify whether or not these pants have a DWR coating, but based on their performance in rain, they do an admirable job of not letting water in.
Talos Pants
The Talos pant is, according to Arc’teryx, a “No-melt, no-drip, lightweight, breathable Cotton/Nylon pant with knee pad pockets, and heavy-duty webbing reinforcement in the knees.” In other words, it’s a basic utility or BDU pant, done Arc’teryx style. Retail price is $229 and the weight is 1lb 9.6oz. Like the Sphinx pants, my pair was made in El Salvador.
I’ve only had the Talos pants a few weeks, but have worn them for some fairly intrepid hiking in some of the harshest weather southern Utah has seen in decades. This was part of the Arc’teryx Red Rock Adventure, which was held earlier this month, and was totally awesome.
They’re made primarily of cotton, which is really a wonderful fabric, and I’m not just saying that because my home state exports a lot of cotton. Cotton won’t stop outside moisture like the other fabrics and their coatings will, but it dries fast, breathes exceptionally well, and is comfortable to wear for long periods of time. It also doesn’t melt or drip when near flame, which is important for people who might accidentally (or intentionally) be close to fire or explosions.
Compared to the Drac or Sphinx, the Talos aren’t made of as exotic a fabric – hence the lower price. That said, they’re my favorite of the three, primarily due to their overall usefulness in many climes (as part of a layered system) or on their own as great pants. Another reason why they’re my favorite is because they are significantly quieter than the other two, as mentioned above. I’m torn on whether to use “comfortable” or “quiet” as the single word to describe cotton, but either one is quite appropriate.
Summary
Drac pants are a good choice for inclement weather in colder climates where making noise is not an issue.
Sphinx pants function well as an all-weather pant and/or in areas where rain might be encountered more frequently and another layer on top of the pants isn’t necessarily desired, again, where making noise is not an issue.
Talos pants are a great replacement for a BDU or utility trouser where keeping noise to a minimum is ideal and a more durable and functional design (than a standard uniform pant) is desired.
If I could change anything about these pants, I would replace the zip fly and velcro pocket closures with buttons, to help with noise reduction.
Overall, these are great pants for work or being in the outdoors, but unlike some of the other LEAF products, I wouldn’t want to walk around town wearing them – for style reasons only. I would like to see an Arc’teryx LEAF pant with fewer side/cargo pockets and no knee reinforcement, in cotton – a less obviously tactical version of the Talos, perhaps, and one which might be somewhat cheaper. It would be like the Atom LT jacket – an Arc’teryx gateway drug.
This is the only review I’ve ever read with a quantifiable means of measuring pants noise. This attitude/approach is why I follow Vuurwapen blog.
Off to buy $25 Dickies pants.
Love the close up photos and clear honest explanation that demystify the corporate pseudo-technical descriptions. Thanks!
Hi Andrew, great review and overview of the different pants!!!
Can you share your measurements and size of pants you wore?
Thanks!
I have a roughly 32″ waist and 32″ inseam, Arc’teryx medium, which is a 33″ waist, seems to work quite well for me.
Hey Boss,
Great review, wish I would have read it before I “indulged” myself with new Crye stuff. Question for you on the Arc’teryx subject: Buddies and I signed up for a GoRuck and I really don’t want to buy another pack seeing as how I bought a Khard 30 when they came out. Will this pack handle the abuse alright? Its my current EDC and 2-3 day cap pack so it hasn’t been beat up yet. Thoughts on how she’ll clean up after? Warrenty in case the bricks get the better of her?
Any insight on this would be grest, man!
-Josh
P.S. Deliberate Dynamics is my Arc’teryx shop thanks to your plugs here.
It should hold up just fine.
The only thing i think is total BS and misleading marketing from Arc’ terix is when you look at the new pics of the Drac pant in Wolf they lighten the color of the knee pad area to make it look like the both materials (the softshell and the knee pad area) have the same tone or look the same, and it clearly the color is off. it would’ve been great if they fixed the issue, but no, they just photoshopped the pic and used better light to make it look like the pants are just 1 color instead of the contrast the knee area and other parts where the softshell material is not used. i really love their products i owe several pieces of gear and i think they’re awesome. it just really pissed me off to see what i explained.
I’m definitely not seeing that…?
you can absolutely see it even in the pictures that you posted that the kneepad cordura area of the pants are a different color than the rest of the pants, regarding arc’teryx altering the photos to make it look like the color is the same you can definitely see it here.
http://leaf.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?EN/Mens/Drac-Pant# – old picture. kneepad different color.
http://www.us-elitegear.com/apparel/clothing/pants-bottoms/arc-teryx-leaf-drac-pants.html – new picture. different color the pants look darker and the kneepad area looks the same as the rest of the pants. i was definitely not expending this from a brand like Arc’teryx. i guess you never know.
sorry for the typos i was in a hurry. lol
The photo you linked to is not on the Arc’teryx page. The photo on the Arc’teryx page is accurate. I fail to see why you are upset.
the link that i posted is from an authorized retailer i would be quite surprised if that picture was not provided by arc’teryx. plus you can tell that they did a complete photo-shoot when they launched the entire line this for this fall, so the photo comes from Arc’teryx. they decided to maybe not posted in their website but you have all this authorized retailers using false advertising and basically saying here you got this awesome pants that look all like the pics, then you pay for it get them in the mail and bam, the knee pad looks different color and it does look quite goofy, i think the construction and design is top notch. don’t get me wrong, i just feel kinda dissapointed. you wrote i review and i’m giving you my opinion on what i thing about this specific piece of clothing. I don’t really understand why you don’t see it when clearly the pics don’t match.
I do see the difference you mention, but I fail to see why you are angry at Arc’teryx for something that a retailer did. You are saying Arc’teryx did something dishonest without a shred of proof to back up your accusations. Just “I think…”
i haven’t contact Arc’teryx asking them about the photos but I am writing in this blog assuming that most of the people can put two and two together and realize that arc’terix took the pictures applied the photoshop and made it look the way they look. yes they don’t put it on their website but other retailer are autorized by Arc’teryx to use those pictures to demostrate the product. the product that they demonstrate is not the same they sell ( esthetically speaking only ) yes i don’t have a letter from arc’teryx but you can tell and i fell it’s kinda like same dumb excuse oh you think that but have to proof when you can clearly think a little bit and clearly see what i’m trying to explain.
So you’re saying that Arc’teryx is conspiring to defraud their customers by having a single retailer post a single edited photograph of the pants.
But…
Arc’teryx continues to post accurate photos of the pants on their website, and every other retailer I visited is using an accurate photo of the pants.
And you think this is a problem with Arc’teryx.
I’m the one who needs to think a little bit?
The picture was actually in the arc’teryx website I’ve seen the picture in more than one retailer website the pics were a part of the new launch of arc’teryx fall line with more models. Is it a problem kinda because most of us know that the purchases are mostly made from retailers not from the manufacturer’s website ( due to the fact that they have better deals than the manufacturer ) so I think it kinda sucks that they release pictures that do not concur to the actual piece of clothing. When I said you can clearly think was not specifically for you I was not telling to think but just making a generalized point. It doesn’t matter is not gonna change anything and I’m stil thinking they’re a great company.
Great site Andrew. I got here from a link at a buddy’s blog and I’m glad I did. I had never heard of Arc’teryx before and now I’m intrigued. In addition to shooting USPSA, 3 Gun and various other disciplines I also hike with my Lab and ride motorcycles. I’m thinking a pair or Drac or similar would make for excellent sport touring attire atop my BMW. With the addition of the flash suppressor testing you are now formally ensconced on my blogroll.
Thank you for such excellent work.
I really enjoyed this write up, but I have a question for you:
If you had to pick one of the two “softshell” ensembles for anything and everything (temperate-to-cold, dry-to-wet, humid-to-arid) would you go with the Drac Jacket/Pants or Combat Jacket/Sphinx Pants?
I currently have the Talos LT top and pants for hot weather and the Alpha for when it pours, but I’m looking to jump on the softshell band wagon.
Thanks for the write up by the way… very, very well thought out.
Excellent review of these pants… I wear the Talos frequently for work and the construction is absolutely impeccable. By far my favorite of all my tactical pants including just about every version of everything Crye has ever made. The only issue that I have is that the integrated knee protective area is a little too articulated and is very conspicuous; especially for me working in law enforcement domestically. If they would lessen the material around the knee these would absolutely be the perfect pair of pants. Also, if you plan on getting into the LEAF line of Arc’teryx products, make sure to research the product you are looking at thoroughly before buying. They are all very mission/environment specific and as the author said it is difficult to determine what may be right for you solely from the LEAF website. Oh, another major benefit these have over the Crye’s is the cuff at the bottom. It is roomy enough so that it doesn’t get caught up in the top of your boots when getting in and out of vehicles and so forth. Very, very well designed and very well constructed.